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Ok, I'll try. So, it's okay that they always there to answer? Does it depends on development level

if you're awake they are awake

aapeli 🟣🥫🥔 ae

if you're awake they are awake

I had read in guide that you should call them first

maybe thats how it works for whoever wrote the guide

10:44 AM

you dont really need to call your headmates when you want to talk to them, you just say something and they already know the context because you both share the mind

10:44 AM

so you both know the same things

10:45 AM

so talking to them is kinda like calling them i guess

(edited)

Reisen: There are really zero upsides to systems who cannot always contact their tulpas, I wouldn't encourage thinking that they can't always be available (edited)

Ok. For now I just worried not to mess up talking. I'm wonder is this even possible

Messing up? Not really lol

Reisen

Messing up? Not really lol

Like sometimes talking instead of them

Reisen: As long as you keep your intention clear, it should still be good (edited)

10:46 AM

(as in, intending for it to be your tulpa responding)

10:46 AM

Obviously when a tulpa starts out just sounding like you, there's nowhere to go but up (they can only start to be more separate)

And it's okay that I talk with tulpa without thinking about its body? Just like it's somewhere in my head (edited)

Focusing on their sense of presence in some way is important, but visualization is optional if you want

10:47 AM

Just don't talk without focusing on them at all, because that doesn't do anything

Reisen

Focusing on their sense of presence in some way is important, but visualization is optional if you want

I understand concept, but not sure how to do this

It's the focusing on another person, and the intent for there to be someone, that tell your brain to create the tulpa experience

Reisen

It's the focusing on another person, and the intent for there to be someone, that tell your brain to create the tulpa experience

Ah, thank you

Deleted User

I understand concept, but not sure how to do this

Reisen: Just focus on them at all! No big deal (edited)

10:48 AM

As opposed to just "talking to yourself" without even thinking about them

10:49 AM

That doesn't hurt, but it doesn't help at all either

OK, I'll be more careful

10:50 AM

Thanks everyone for advices

10:56 AM

Now it feels less that I talk with myself

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I had read in guide that you should call them first

Guides talk a lot of bs

there is a clear difference in presence for us and it depends on how much attention you pay to your headmate, but it might be different for everyone

10:59 AM

and answers also feel more robotic and "fake" if you give them very little attention like while you focus on doing something else, they feel very distant and quiet (edited)

the reason why i believe that guides misguide beginners is that they focus on talking in the start tulpamancy at it’s core is not talking… there is much more to it if you talk to your tulpa before you can feel them or their presence, of courwe it will feel like talking to yourself

Fun thing is that after I have started focus on tulpa her answers became more in character..

yes

11:02 AM

thats how it works for us too

11:02 AM

the more space you give the more they are themselves

11:03 AM

it also happens with me when we're switched, i sound like some random distant thoughts too and im not at all like i am when im in front

Fun thing is that after I have started focus on tulpa her answers became more in character..

@Deleted User - jump what do you feel when you focus on your tulpa?

Leiko

Fun thing is that after I have started focus on tulpa her answers became more in character..

@Deleted User - jump what do you feel when you focus on your tulpa?

It's hard to tell what I feel. Just simple focus on imaginary object and talking with it

that’s good! it means that you are open to it on the intellectual level but beside it, what do you feel when you do it? do you feel a sense of presence? warmth in your heart?

Leiko

that’s good! it means that you are open to it on the intellectual level but beside it, what do you feel when you do it? do you feel a sense of presence? warmth in your heart?

A bit of warmth, but not the presence yet

Yk whats funny?

11:27 AM

I stopped feeling my tulpas' presence a long time ago

Leiko

the reason why i believe that guides misguide beginners is that they focus on talking in the start tulpamancy at it’s core is not talking… there is much more to it if you talk to your tulpa before you can feel them or their presence, of courwe it will feel like talking to yourself

That's really interesting because Reguile came to a similar conclusion and encourages focuding on the feeling of talking to someone else before doing it. I wonder if changing my approach and encouraging people to feel their tulpa's presence early on will help.

berockly (TTG)

I stopped feeling my tulpas' presence a long time ago

We actually still have presences, but it's subtle. We don't usually focus on it, it's just there because we feel a strong sense of who’s who

same here

That's really interesting because Reguile came to a similar conclusion and encourages focuding on the feeling of talking to some...

@A long kiss goodnight - jump well, i've been talking about it for years...

12:06 PM

tulpamancy is not an intellectual practice

12:07 PM

it is something that i try to encourage people and it is one of the reasons why i think my methods work unfortunately most of my work is trying to help people shed off their expectation that it happens on intellectual level, intellectual level is just distracting

berockly (TTG)

I stopped feeling my tulpas' presence a long time ago

it means you are dying

Yeah, but it was a cause for concern back then

gnat-alee

i haven't tried forcing while on my adhd meds so maybe that'll make a differnce? gonna try today and see what happens, but any other tips would be much appreciated ^_^

So, after checking, I realized that Melanie first spoke to me shortly after my medication wore off. Of course, we're probably on different medications so the effects are most likely different.

A long kiss goodnight

We actually still have presences, but it's subtle. We don't usually focus on it, it's just there because we feel a strong sense of who’s who

same for me, I can kind of tell who walks in to front

I have another question just to be sure. What would you do by steps when you have created tulpa? Would you straight talk to them or try feel them first?

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I have another question just to be sure. What would you do by steps when you have created tulpa? Would you straight talk to them or try feel them first?

That reminds me- Keep in mind there is no such thing as a universal cocreation (tulpamancy) strategy. Since cocreation is so subjective, everyone has their own take on how to go about cocreation and even what a cobud (tulpa) is. As a result, you will come across conflicting advice at some point. Pick the advice that makes the most sense to you, and if it doesn't work you can always try another system’s idea later. Guides are also suggestions, not hardset rules. Not everything that someone says or does will apply to you, and if you feel something doesn't make sense don't do it. (edited)

A long kiss goodnight

That reminds me- Keep in mind there is no such thing as a universal cocreation (tulpamancy) strategy. Since cocreation is so subjective, everyone has their own take on how to go about cocreation and even what a cobud (tulpa) is. As a result, you will come across conflicting advice at some point. Pick the advice that makes the most sense to you, and if it doesn't work you can always try another system’s idea later. Guides are also suggestions, not hardset rules. Not everything that someone says or does will apply to you, and if you feel something doesn't make sense don't do it. (edited)

I know. I have been into lucid dreaming for 4 years and it's the same thing there, everything subjective. But I would like to hear some advices anyway, especially related to feeling tulpa around

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I had read in guide that you should call them first

Sure, that's fine. I got concerned when you asked this question you felt there was a "right way" to do cocreation.

Would anyone recommend finding voice for tulpa? Or simply wait for it to form itself

I don't see a problem with that

8:13 PM

Go ahead

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Would anyone recommend finding voice for tulpa? Or simply wait for it to form itself

if the feeling of wanting to find a voice comes up, then go and find a voice ^w^ but if not, then there's no need. That's what I think at least, a specific voice doesn't matter to everyone, but it does matter to some (edited)

We've never focused on vooceclaims, they just happen on their own.

Ale𝕏andra 🍄🐈

if the feeling of wanting to find a voice comes up, then go and find a voice ^w^ but if not, then there's no need. That's what I think at least, a specific voice doesn't matter to everyone, but it does matter to some (edited)

It doesn't matter for me much, but I thought voice might help with tulpa's evolution

For the record, it doesn't matter unless they express interest in it, or something.

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I don't think it would hinder her development, so feel free to try

7:11 PM

Well, you can approach imposition as you would even if she were vocal Practice feeling her presence, and then once you've got that down, practice seeing her

7:16 PM

It might be, i've never tried it Idk if anyone else has tried it either Maybe you'd be the first!

Depends on the person.

7:16 PM

Tulpamancy is trial and error.

7:16 PM

There is no one "right" way.

pk;explain

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tulpa answers sound like people you have imaginary arguments with, try to ask your tulpa something and see if an answer comes to your mind in any way

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Reisen: Initial tulpa development mainly comes from focusing on them as a person separate from you - so pretty much anything that helps you feel they are them and not just you can be helpful, yes. Practicing imposition (or just open-eye visualization) is as good an activity as normal visualization, talking to them (and expecting answers), or miscellaneous things like reading to them and feeling they're listening (edited)

7:22 PM

Initial vocality often starts out as them sounding like your own thoughts, but as long as you're not constantly doubting them (ie still thinking of it as them talking), they will start to feel more separate/more uniquely like themselves over time, until eventually it's impossible to mistake your tulpa's thoughts for your own

7:23 PM

(With aphantasia these same general processes still go on, though it's not quite as obvious as you're probably only dealing with pure thought and feelings, without a vocal or visual component to focus on)

pretend you have an actual person standing behind you and say something to them, as if they are actually there

7:27 PM

try doing that now

7:27 PM

ask them how their day was

7:27 PM

now do it with the same assumption in your head to a tulpa that is there

7:29 PM

when you believe there is a tulpa in there already, its easier to do it

7:29 PM

ask if they are there, and something simple like "do you like ice cream"

7:30 PM

dont focus too much on hearing an answer, tell me if you got any thought that would be a reasonable answer to it

7:30 PM

even if it sounds like it was your own thought

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Just talk to them, about anything If you want i can send a list of things to talk about

even if the thought came before you even got to finish the sentence to them

I'm not sure what you're asking then

7:35 PM

Way to be condescending I'm not answering unless you can explain if you meant that or not

the language barrier probably makes them sound rude

7:35 PM

i just assume thats what it is

Idk, i'd find that rude in german too i bet

7:40 PM

I don't think I've ever seen someone work so hard to be difficult to help when asking for help, outside of maybe Juesto

juesto always makes me think of cheese (juusto)

i dont understand how talking about anything ≠ something to practice as active forcing for your tulpa

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It wasn't specific enough for me, and posting the same thing again and saying "you didn't get this" came off as condescending to me

talking about anything is just how you start

i literally asked emmi what's her favorite color when i didnt know any "proper" ways to doing anything

7:43 PM

i hadnt read any guides

7:43 PM

and she answered purple and i shrugged it off as my own thoughts, read a part of reguile's guide, realized that was her, then it was easy after that (edited)

7:44 PM

there's really no effort or weird rituals to it, you just think towards them like you would say something to a meat person

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7:46 PM

where

7:46 PM

guides are mostly just how people got it to work themselves